Sounds like the issue is picking "random" people, DEI or otherwise. If they felt like they had to pick "3 DEI," they should have picked the 3 best
to start with and not 3 "random" ones.

I think the problem there is there are many DEI candidates to pick from and human resources kind of asumes they aren't going to be good, therefore they don't care.

That is a screwed up way to think about it. You can get what looks like a
"DEI candidate" (to persons who care) but who is also really, really good at what they do.

I mean, the purpose of those 3 picks is not to work, it is to fill the statistics in the HR spreadshet.

See above. You can check off the box and get a good worker. That is not anywhere near impossible if HR is doing their job.

Now, if the whole process was to get *7* jobs filled, and hire three people
to check boxes that you know won't show up, that is something else... and
is also messed up, just in a different way.

What bothers me is they kicked 3 candidates from the regular pool in order to bring people in who didn't even bother to show up later.

Fuck this shit.

Still sounds like their damn fault for assuming those who could "check
their boxes" could also be good workers.


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Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
"reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.

That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
incarcerated, least represented citizens.

The issue is how to remedy it without punishing those that are not involved
in perpetuating the prejudice. Most of what our government will likely
come up with will likely involve "punishing" the general populace
(including the persons supposedly being remedied to) while doing very
little to any politicians or business leaders who are playing active roles
in these issues.

Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.

This in particular is really stupid. Why bother? It only costs money to
do what they are doing. If they are famous and successful, they should be celebrated as "American success stories" rather than actively suppressing
their memories.


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Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.

Haven't heard about this one. Any examples that you could provide?

Google "US renaming Tubman" to find something regarding the renaming of
naval ships. IMHO, it was a little odd to name ships after civil
rights leaders, social activists, and Supreme Court members who weren't in the Navy.

That isn't saying that some of them, like Tubman, don't have a very
significant place in our country's history, as they do, but I think it was
a little weird they named a ship after Ruth Bader Ginsberg to begin with.
That said, it was done and I don't really support spending the time,
effort, and money on changing these things.

They have also considered renaming a military base or two. Fort Cavazos,
the former Ft Hood, is one that has been floated as up for a possible
rename (back to Ft Hood). The person it was renamed after is a former
military man -- a four star general -- so the name makes more sense. But, since he's hispanic (and Hood was CSA), having his name on it is "DEI."

Also, is this like the previous administration removing all kinds of tributes/statues/memorials of famous and successful Southern-Americans
from the Civil War era, because of what they stood for? Oh, and also
like the renaming of military installations because they had
"offensive" names?

I didn't necessarily support the renaming of Ft. Hood but, now that it is
done and (IMHO) it was renamed after someone deserving, I don't support changing it again. It was wasteful then and would be wasteful now.

I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
problem persists.

What solution *would* you choose, pray tell? How, exactly, can this
problem be "fixed"?

I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government
would come up with. IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of doing so.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Fri Jun 06 2025 09:44 am

dude that shit happens all the time in the govt. i think that was just some shit the media was focusing on.

Not to this degree it does not.

how do you know? you are only going off what the media is telling you.

You should never respond to someone without going through your chain of command. It looked very much like a potential phishing scheme, which is something you should never respond to. I have seen the email and would
have reported it to our IT Security team.

their bosses told them to fill it out.

I had my HR have me fill out an employment survey. it didn't some from my boss. it came right from HR. I did the exact same thing, i explained my duties and expressed any concerns and i got to meet with them again and i got a pay raise and i got my job matrix fixed. stop acting like this shit doesn't happen.

media has you on a hook. quit being a simp for the media, dude.
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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.

Haven't heard about this one. Any examples that you could provide?

Google "US renaming Tubman" to find something regarding the renaming of naval ships. IMHO, it was a little odd to name ships after civil
rights leaders, social activists, and Supreme Court members who weren't
in the Navy.

Agreed, very odd. Not acceptable, even.

That isn't saying that some of them, like Tubman, don't have a very significant place in our country's history, as they do, but I think it
was a little weird they named a ship after Ruth Bader Ginsberg to begin with. That said, it was done and I don't really support spending the
time, effort, and money on changing these things.

Fully agree on the significance of Tubman, just not on the chosen method
of recognition. No way that RBG gets that honor, other than DEI. I'm
for changing both of those ship names. There are others, too - I
recently saw something about the USS Harvey Milk being considered for re-naming also. Another 100% DEI thing, and should be un-done.

They have also considered renaming a military base or two. Fort
Cavazos, the former Ft Hood, is one that has been floated as up for a possible rename (back to Ft Hood). The person it was renamed after is
a former military man -- a four star general -- so the name makes more sense. But, since he's hispanic (and Hood was CSA), having his name on
it is "DEI."

Just another un-doing of a mistake by Biden and company. Like it or
not, the Civil War and the CSA are parts of our history.

Also, is this like the previous administration removing all kinds of tributes/statues/memorials of famous and successful Southern-Americans
from the Civil War era, because of what they stood for? Oh, and also
like the renaming of military installations because they had
"offensive" names?

I didn't necessarily support the renaming of Ft. Hood but, now that it
is done and (IMHO) it was renamed after someone deserving, I don't
support changing it again. It was wasteful then and would be wasteful now.

Send the bill to Biden.

I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
problem persists.

What solution *would* you choose, pray tell? How, exactly, can this
problem be "fixed"?

I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government would come up with. IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could
stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything
on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of doing so.

Absolutely right, but I agree that it's likely not possible. What isn't
right is to have people/taxpayers pay money to people who are
generations removed from anybody who was mistreated. "Correcting" a
wrong by committing another wrong is not the way.



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dude that shit happens all the time in the govt. i think that was just some shit the media was focusing on.

Not to this degree it does not.

how do you know? you are only going off what the media is telling you.

media has you on a hook. quit being a simp for the media, dude.

One of us has spent most of their life working for the government and has a pretty good knowledge of how things work, and how they (don't) work if
someone tries to break them.

The other one apparently gets their info from some sort of media, maybe
social, and maybe straight from the accounts of Trump and Musk.

So I think the more pertinent question is how do *you* know?


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I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government would come up with. IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything
on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of doing so.

Absolutely right, but I agree that it's likely not possible. What isn't right is to have people/taxpayers pay money to people who are
generations removed from anybody who was mistreated. "Correcting" a
wrong by committing another wrong is not the way.

Part of me feels that way, that they are generations removed. However,
there is some belief in this country that the "wrongs" continued far beyond
the Civil War. I would agree that they certainly continued until at least
the Civil Rights Era of the 1960s.

What has happened since then, until recently, I would place at the feet of
our politicians (Democrats, too) who've spent their time benefiting from
having a "downtrodden" class to manipulate... a class you cannot manipulate
if they do not remain downtrodden.

Recently, it seems that pre-1960s attitudes are being brought back into the mainstream. Not sure what has brought that on but it does need to stop.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Jun 08 2025 10:27 am

One of us has spent most of their life working for the government and has a pretty good knowledge of how things work, and how they (don't) work if someone tries to break them.

i've worked for and WITH the govt and I have family members who worked for the govt their entire lives.

The other one apparently gets their info from some sort of media, maybe social, and maybe straight from the accounts of Trump and Musk.

So I think the more pertinent question is how do *you* know?

Which one is which? are you saying that's me?
I dont pay attention to trump or elon musk.

nice try simp
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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government would come up with. IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of doing so.

Absolutely right, but I agree that it's likely not possible. What isn't right is to have people/taxpayers pay money to people who are
generations removed from anybody who was mistreated. "Correcting" a
wrong by committing another wrong is not the way.

Part of me feels that way, that they are generations removed. However, there is some belief in this country that the "wrongs" continued far beyond the Civil War. I would agree that they certainly continued
until at least the Civil Rights Era of the 1960s.

Yes, it's true that discrimination continued long after the Civil War,
and to some extent is still happening today. But again it's a problem
of who is to blame, and how to "correct" it. Not something easy to
answer or solve.

What has happened since then, until recently, I would place at the feet
of our politicians (Democrats, too) who've spent their time benefiting from having a "downtrodden" class to manipulate... a class you cannot manipulate if they do not remain downtrodden.

100% correct. It's like many of the bad things going on today... This,
wars, tradewars, cold wars, more. There are always a small group of
people who benefit tremendously from these things, and although they say otherwise, they WANT them to continue. Race relations (as you said
above), and the RUS/UKR war are great examples. Lots of money being
made by a few on both of these issues, and those people will not *LET*
the issues end.

Recently, it seems that pre-1960s attitudes are being brought back into the mainstream. Not sure what has brought that on but it does need to stop.

I'm not so sure that I'm seeing this happen, at least around here.



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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Sat Jun 07 2025 08:33 am

They have also considered renaming a military base or two.

Already happened here. Ft. Lee in Petersburg VA, 30 miles south of me has a new name as does Ft. A.P. Hill 20 miles north of me.

All paid for with Taxpayer money I'm sure... more waste.

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